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Post by Eden on Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:59 pm

Possibility?: Andros is an android created by Andrew and the SEI Foundation. His personality is a copy of Andrew's own and was meant to be a proof of concept for full consciousness transfer.

Ideas/Questions/Etc.: Divergence from given personality has been 'proven' when Eden is eventually copied due to prior mentioned circumstances. Why would Andrew consciously keep Andros around when he could be seen as a failure? With the personalty drift, he will become far less like the human and more like his own entity. Could this be Andrew's way of seeing himself atoning for what he has done and will eventually do? Is Andros' creation simply close to when Eden's body is made, so they did not have the time to discard him? Was he originally meant to be the vessel for Eden, but they found they were able to create a vastly improved, upgraded model within the time they had left by utilizing Andros' as a blueprint? Or he was originally just lying around, waiting to be used for something, this came up, but technology had advanced far enough to allow for new developments?

Did Andrew see the future possibilities of keeping him on retainer? Or, pointing at another aspect of his personality, is he simply too selfish to get rid of anything that could be considered a moderate success and be touted as such when the appropriate time came? Could it be out of spite? If he created them around the time of the ARFBs and right as Synthetic Insights launched them as the new wave fighters protecting the various cities, it could have cast a shadow, damper, and doubt about Andrew's own project, essentially snuffing it out before he could even get it off the ground?

That could be a part of why he is assisting Kiran out of spite and sees him as 'stealing his glory'. Things like this happen in real life all the time with similar movies releasing and one gaining more popularity than the other, even if one is later seen as superior to the one that had that initial growth. E.g. Megamind vs Despicable Me; the latter grew immensely while the former is seen as the superior film in all regards and has gained a massive following proceeding its release; especially as children from that time have gotten older and are able to see the nuances more clearly.

Would Andrew have let Andros wander around the surface of the planet, attended or not, or would he have maintained that he stay below ground in SEI facilities? Admittedly I could see him letting him run around both above and below ground, to spy, distract, assist or guarantee someone's downfall, though that would require him to be rather stealthy about his movement and where he goes. Even with the ARFBs running around, they are solely seen in groups and are clearly synthetic entities based around the visuals of the monstrosities roaming the planet, as well as have a clear insignia designating them as a part of Synthetic Insights ARFB systems. With Andros, there would be no factor delineating him as a particular faction or even an android, aside from the fact no monsters with that exact appearance have been seen coming in through the rifts quite yet.

Another thought is that, after seeing the success of copying Eden's consciousness over into the android body rather than a full on transfer, he decides to make a copy of himself and place it inside of Andros--an android he has been working on for an extended period of time, but could never figure out the right way to have him develop his own personality, etc. By putting his mind into this body, he feels as though he has reconnected with his twin and that they are back together, especially given he has Andros reporting back to him on their conversations. He is essentially living through Andros and thinks of it as him making up for his past mistakes and who he has become--a way for him to start over, even if it technically isn't actually him.

Theoretically Andrew could figure out how to do a full consciousness transfer either the moment before or sometime after Eden's original body died, hence why they needed to create a copy rather than go through the actual process. Thus he goes through the above, but it is actually Andrew living inside of said body rather than him being a separate and unique entity of his own. Perhaps Andrew would feel it is like putting on a different skin and bearing a new face, a way for him to make-up for the shit he has done as his human self as well as the only way he can start completely over, even if he does still struggle with his preconceptions and desires. It would also be interesting to write how Andrew is seen less and less every day as he takes this body out to spend time with his twin, knowing that Eden would have nothing to do with him any other way due to... something that happened prior. An event that completely tore their relationship apart and made Eden want to have absolutely nothing to do with his twin. Something he deemed unforgivable.

This could be seen in a variety of ways, from unhealthy obsession to seeking forgiveness in the only way one knows how, regardless of the cost. Not entirely certain if that is the sort of context that should be attached to Andros. Although it can come across that way with the aforementioned possibilities, it is far less of a direct and conscious choice on his part, removing some of the disturbing overtones it would otherwise have. It seems it would come more down to what is best for the story and suits the characters in question rather than personal preference, but I haven't a clue which route would be better. One certainly causes far more drama than the other and brings into question what a person is willing to do for their perceived form of redemption, but... I don't know.

What I do know is that I
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Post by YunaUisce on Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:31 pm

There are definitely possibilities that any of these arches could go - and in multiple directions of their own as well - so yes, the possibilities are seemingly limitless.

However, one other suggestion I want to throw at you - regardless of the extent to which Andrew transfers his consciousness into Andros (and regardless of the extent) is that in the event that Andrew does impose his consciousness, Andros would still have sentience of his own. Perhaps at first the consciousness is overrun by Andrew but then over time, Andros becomes a stronger "voice" both within Andrew's mind and eventually starting to control Andrew's actions?

I think that to really know what Andrew would do in the circumstance I think it is a good idea to get a rough draft down (however you want to do it - graphic/web format, or bullets, or narrative) of Andrew's back story. Even if you know it, I don't. I can't really give a good suggestion of what he should do in the future without knowing more about his context. If you don't know it, this would be a good time to write it out.

More specifically - perhaps work out his educational/vocational/leisure interest/history and main points of interest for which he feels "regret" or wanting to make "amends." [in parallel, describe what Eden's reactions are - either externally known or internal thoughts/feelings.] Also, dive more into his [Andrew's] psyche. Why is he wanting to have a closer relationship with Eden? What lengths will he go to? Elaborate further on his moral compass.

As it relates to Andros - if he was a flesh person-transferred consciousness - who was this person? Explore this a little more to determine if the idea of being a "prototype" before Eden sounds good to you. Explore the relationship that this person and Eden may have had or would develop. [Not under the influence of Andrew, just this character.]

We can always explore more of this later.
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Post by YunaUisce on Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:12 pm

1. Divergent
Andrew made copy of his consciousness & put it in Andros [Android body]

Over time, Andros develops his own consciousness (divergence)
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Post by YunaUisce on Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:18 pm

2. Andrew does full consciousness going back and forth between Andros and self
Andros is just a shell (not an actual sentient being)
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